There were eight fragment specimens recovered from the Dallas
shooting. Only
one of these ( CE 842-Q9 ) was recivered from Connally. It weighed 0.5
and had to come from 399. And since none of the copper outer skin  of
399 was
missing and the FBI tested the 0.5 grain fragment for copper , we can
conclude that the fragment somehow came from the inner core of the
  There is another problem with the Connally fragments. Dr. Robert
Shaw, the
surgeon that operated on the Governor, told the Warren Wizards that he
that more than  three grains were in the wrist alone.

  Audrey Bell, the operating room nurse, stated that there were four
or five
fragments " anywhere from three to four millimeters in length and a
couple of
millimeters wide. " These fragments disappeared at the autopsy.

 In addition, what happened to the fragment found in Connally's leg
Also, there was a fragment in the governor's chest that was never
recovered, He
died with fragments still in his body that may have weighed more than
alleged two or three missing grains from 399, a bullet described as
pristine or
near pristine, and the Wizards also say: "The Governor's wrist would
was not
caused  by a pristine bullet." ( p.94 ).

 Only because 399 was found at Parkland did the Warrens have to
explain its
part in the drama. They didn't know if it was the bullet that hit JFK
Connally anymore than any of us do. They didn't know for sure if a
shot missed
(WR p.111) They didn't know   for sure if the fragments in the car
came from
the JFK/ Connally hit or from the head shot. With their unprofessional
they guessed that they came from the head shot. .. since a shot missed
and 399
was from JFK/JC, ergo, the frags had to come from the head shot. Yet,
weren't sure about the two fragments found in the car: "The heavier
was a portion of a bullet's  nose and  a lighter fragment consisted of
bullet's base portion." Then, "The two fragments were both mutilated
and it was
not possible to determine from the fragments themselves whether they
the base and nose of one bullet or of  two separate bullets."

  If one shot missed the car and one was found complete at Parkland,
how could
anyone believe that the fragment nose and base  could have come from


HSCA Record Number 180-10090-10264  Agency File Number  000915
     From:     Bell, Audrey N.
     Date:     03/12/77
     Pages:    7
     Subjects: Bell, Audrey N.
               Connally, John
               Parkland Staff
               Parkland Methodology
               Medical Evidence
     Release Date:  10/25/93

     Contents: Transcript of tape recorded interview of Audrey N.
Bell, R.N., by               Howard Gilbert and Jack Moriarty of the
JFK Task Force for the             HSCA on March 12, 1977; Saturday,
at 6:35 p.m.  Document in full follows typed exactly as original:

Interview of:  Audrey N. Bell

By Howard Gilbert and Jack Moriarty (JFK Task Force)
Date:     March, 12, 1977, Saturday
Time:     6:35 p.m.
Location: Apartment of Miss Bell
          4317 Hartford - Apt. #103
          Dallas, TX

Also present:  Miss Bell's sister

G:   Now, Miss Bell, you can observe that we are tape recording a
statement from     you, can you not?
B:   Yes.

G:   And this is done with your permission, is that correct?
B:   Yes.

G:   Now, prior to our taping this statement, we chatted for some 15 -
20 minutes, is     that correct?
B:   Yes.

G:   All right.  Now, Miss Bell, I want to direct your attention to
November 22, 1963,    and ask where you where employed at that time.

B:   Parkland Memorial Hospital, Dallas.

G:   And in what capacity were you employed?

B:   Supervisor of the operating rooms and recovery rooms.

G:   Now do you recall the incident where Gov. Connally was operated
on on [sic]     that day?

B:   Yes.

G:   And do you recall who the orthopedic surgeon was?

B:   Yes, Dr. Charles Gregory.

G:   And who was the thorasic [sic] surgeon?
                      [end of page one of interview]

 B:   Dr. Robert Shaw.

G:   Now, you have informed me that certain foreign bodies were taken
from the body  of Gov. Connally.  Is that correct?

B:   Yes.

G:   And what is the procedure that was used at the hospital for the
removal and     recovery of foreign objects.

B:   On that, ah, the procedure is that the objects were removed by
the surgeon, and      either placed in a container or given to the
scrub nurse to place in a container on  the scrub nurse's table.  Then
they are taken. . . . . . . .

G:   Wait just a minute, would you describe the type of container that
they would be      placed in?

B:   A small glass container about one ounce medicine glass.

G:   Similar to a size and shape to a shot glass?

B:   That's right.

G:   All right, after the objects are placed into the container by
either the doctor of the    scrub nurse, what then occurs?

B:   On that particular case they were given to me, and I took them in
my office and      prepared one of our foreign body envelopes. . .

G:   Foreign body envelopes?  What is that, would you explain that?

B:   We had a foreign body envelope in which we could record the name
of the    patient, the hospital identification number, the foreign
body with the description,  whether there were any markings on it, who
the surgeon was, and we signed it  off ourselves.

G:   Would you describe on the envelope the number of objects placed
within the      envelope?

B:   Yes.

G:   And with respect to the objects taken from Gov. Connally's body,
who prepared   that particular envelope?

B:   I did.

G:   Was that done in your own hand?

B:   Yes.

[end of page two of document]

G:   And did you place the objects that you took from the operating
room in the      envelope yourself?

B:   Yes.

G:   Did you seal it yourself?

B:   Yes.

G:   And did you place the description of those objects on the

B:   Yes.

G:   Now, to the best of your present recollection, how many
individual foreign      objects were placed into that envelope?  Taken
from Gov. Connally's body?

B:   Four or five, I am not sure at this particular time.

G:   Do you have a recollection as to whether or not those objects
were metalic [sic]     objects?

B:   Yes, they were metalic [sic].  Grayish in color, as well as I

G:   All right, and after you placed them into the foreign body
envelope and sealed  that envelope, what did you do with it?

B:   I delivered them to the FBI, and he signed for them, this was a
deviation from our   procedure, he signed, ah, there was a, took an
inter-office memorandum and      wrote on there about my delivering
those to the FBI.  I believe Mr. Sorrels, and  signed it,
this. . . . . . .

G:   Now, you believe that it was Mr. Sorrels?

B:   I believe so, I recall this name.  I recall this name.

G:   You recall the name but you're not positive at this point that it
was Sorrels?

B:   No, No [sic].  I'm not sure.

G:   But it was someone from the FBI who showed you
identification. . .

B:   The FBI or Secret Service, that I gave it to.  And I think it was
the FBI.

G:   Did they show you identification?

B:   They probably did.  I saw so much ID that day that, ah, bacause
[sic] we had so      many of these people in surgury [sic].

[end of page three of document]

G:   When the envelope was turned over, it was in a sealed condition,
is that right?

B:   It was sealed.

G:   And if the envelope was to be produced today, and the envelope
described the    number of metalic [sic] objects, that would have been
the number that you  yourself  ascertained went into the envelope at
the time that you sealed it?

B:   Yes.

G:   You're sure of that ?.

B:   Well, that's what I put into it, I don't what [sic] would have
happedned [sic] to it      since then.

G:   Fine.  Now, you're best recollection you indicated to me was how
many specific  types of foreign objects were numbered?

B:   Four or five.

G:   All right.  Now, I have asked you to, on a piece of paper, with a
pencil, to draw,   to draw for me if you would, the smallest size, on
a one surface size, of the             foreign objects.  Would you do
that again, please?

B:   It's difficult.

G:   All right.  Now, would you please put a large circle around
that?  And would you     write your name next to it, please?  And
would you place todays [sic] date, which    is March 12th.  Now you
have written that in pencil, have you not?

B:   That's right.

G:   Will you circle the entire thing that you have done with a blue
felt tip pen?  And   would you write on there, Exhibit A.  Now, Mr.
Moriarty, I'm going to ask that you   also sign that sheet of paper at
this point.  Now, If [sic] I understand you    correctly, you're
saying that of the objects, the foreign bodies that you placed  into
the envelope, the small penciled diagram that you have just drawn,
indicates the smallest, in your recollection, of the foreign objects
that would have gone in.

B:   Yes.

G:   Would you fill in the blue ink the little circle describing the
object that you      have drawn in pencil.  In other words, just kind
of color it in blue, so that we     have it as a permanent record.

[end of page four of document]

G:   All right.  Thank you.  Now, you're. we may have said this, we
indicated that we     were taking this statement at your residence,
which was 4317 Hartford, your     home phone is 526-5369?  And your
present office address is, rather telephone  number is 637-3820, x

B:   Yes.

G:   And you are presently employed by who?

B:   Children's medical center.

G:   And you are the what?

B:   Supervisor of the operating suite.

G:   All right.  Now is there anything that you would like to add,
with respect to what   we have discussed here?  To make your statement
more complete, or to explain
anything that we have discussed while the tape recorder has been on?

B:   Just that, it has been many years, and this is all just trying to
recollect what     happened on that date.  I could not swear, you
know, I cannot be absolutely               certain, of the number of
small fragments.

G:   Your best recollection is. . . . . . . .

B:   But my recollection is 4 to 5.

G:   Mr. Moriarty, do you have something to add?

M:   No, I haven't.

G:   Then, it is now 6:45 p.m. and this is the termination of the

[end of page five and final page of document]

[Note:  Audrey Bell's drawing of the metallic fragments is not
attached to the interview]

Bell, the operating room nurse, stated that there were four or five
fragments " anywhere from three to four millimeters in length and a
couple of
millimeters wide. " These fragments disappeared at the autopsy.


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