The Audio of this Interview is at the
bottom of the page. (In 2 Parts)
This is Audrey Bell's HSCA interview transcript.
HSCA Record Number 180-10090-10264 Agency
File Number 000915
Bell, Audrey N.
Connally, JohnContents: Transcript of tape recorded interview of Audrey N. Bell, R.N.,
by Howard Gilbert and
Release Date: 10/25/93
Jack Moriarty of the JFK Task Force for the HSCA
on March 12, 1977; Saturday, at 6:35 p.m.
Document in full follows typed exactly as original:
Interview of: Audrey
By Howard Gilbert and Jack Moriarty (JFK Task Force)
12, 1977, Saturday
Location: Apartment of Miss Bell
Also present: Miss
G: Now, Miss Bell, you
can observe that we are tape recording a statement from you,
can you not?
G: And this is done with
your permission, is that correct?
G: Now, prior to our
taping this statement, we chatted for some 15 - 20 minutes, is that
G: All right. Now,
Miss Bell, I want to direct your attention to November 22, 1963,
and ask where you where employed at that time.
in what capacity were you employed?
of the operating rooms and recovery rooms.
G: Now do you recall the
incident where Gov. Connally was operated on on [sic] that
do you recall who the orthopedic surgeon was?
B: Yes, Dr. Charles
who was the thorasic [sic] surgeon?
[end of page one of
G: Now, you have
informed me that certain foreign bodies were taken from the body
of Gov. Connally. Is that
G: And what is the procedure
that was used at the hospital for the removal and
recovery of foreign objects.
that, ah, the procedure is that the objects were removed by the surgeon, and either
placed in a container
given to the scrub nurse to place in a container on the
scrub nurse's table. Then they are
taken. . . . . . . .
G: Wait just a minute,
would you describe the type of container that they would be placed
B: A small glass
container about one ounce medicine glass.
G: Similar to a size and shape
to a shot glass?
B: That's right.
right, after the objects are placed into the container by either the doctor of
the scrub nurse, what then occurs?
that particular case they were given to me, and I took them in my office and prepared
one of our
foreign body envelopes. . .
body envelopes? What is that, would
you explain that?
B: We had a foreign body
envelope in which we could record the name of the
patient, the hospital identification
number, the foreign body with the
description, whether there were any
markings on it, who the surgeon was,
and we signed it off
G: Would you describe
on the envelope the number of objects placed within the envelope?
G: And with respect to the
objects taken from Gov. Connally's body, who prepared that
B: I did.
G: Was that done in
your own hand?
[end of page two of
G: And did you place the
objects that you took from the operating room in the envelope
G: Did you seal it
G: And did you place the
description of those objects on the envelope?
G: Now, to
the best of your present recollection, how many individual foreign objects
were placed into
that envelope? Taken
from Gov. Connally's body?
B: Four or
five, I am not sure at this particular time.
G: Do you
have a recollection as to whether or not those objects were metalic [sic]
B: Yes, they were
metalic [sic]. Grayish in color, as
well as I recall.
G: All right, and after you
placed them into the foreign body envelope and sealed that
envelope, what did you do with it?
B: I delivered them to the
FBI, and he signed for them, this was a deviation from our procedure,
ah, there was a, took an inter-office
memorandum and wrote on there about
my delivering those to the FBI.
I believe Mr. Sorrels, and signed
it, this. . . . . . .
G: Now, you
believe that it was Mr. Sorrels?
B: I believe so, I
recall this name. I recall this
recall the name but you're not positive at this point that it was Sorrels?
B: No, No [sic]. I'm
G: But it was someone from the
FBI who showed you identification. . .
FBI or Secret Service, that I gave it to. And
I think it was the FBI.
they show you identification?
B: They probably did. I
saw so much ID that day that, ah, bacause [sic] we had so
many of these people in surgury
[end of page three of
G: When the envelope
was turned over, it was in a sealed condition, is that right?
B: It was sealed.
if the envelope was to be produced today, and the envelope described the number
of metalic [sic]
objects, that would have been the
number that you yourself ascertained
went into the envelope at the time
that you sealed it?
G: You're sure of that.
B: Well, that's what I put into it, I don't what [sic] would have happedned [sic] to it since then.
G: Fine. Now, you're best recollection you indicated to me was how many specific types of foreign objects were numbered?
B: Four or five.
G: All right. Now, I have asked you to, on a piece of paper, with a pencil, to draw,
to draw for me if you would, the smallest size, on a one surface size, of the foreign objects. Would you do that again, please?
B: It's difficult.
G: All right. Now, would you please put a large circle around that? And would you write your name next to it, please?
And would you place todays [sic] date, which is March 12th. Now you have written that in pencil, have you not?
B: That's right.
G: Will you circle the entire thing that you have done with a blue felt tip pen? And would you write on there,
Exhibit A. Now, Mr. Moriarty, I'm going to ask that you also sign that sheet of paper at this point.
Now, If [sic] I understand you correctly, you're saying that of the objects, the foreign bodies that you placed
into the envelope, the small penciled diagram that you have just drawn, indicates the smallest, in your recollection,
of the foreign objects that would have gone in.
G: Would you fill in the blue ink the little circle describing the object that you have drawn in pencil.
In other words, just kind of color it in blue, so that we have it as a permanent record.
[end of page four of document]
G: All right. Thank you. Now, you're. we may have said this, we indicated that we were taking this
statement at your residence, which was 4317 Hartford, your home phone is 526-5369?
And your present office address is, rather telephone number is 637-3820, x 317?
G: And you are presently employed by who?
B: Children's medical center.
G: And you are the what?
B: Supervisor of the operating suite.
G: All right. Now is there anything that you would like to add, with respect to what we have discussed here?
To make your statement more complete, or to explain anything that we have discussed while the tape
recorder has been on?
B: Just that, it has been many years, and this is all just trying to recollect what happened on that date.
I could not swear, you know, I cannot be absolutely certain, of the number of small fragments.
G: Your best recollection is. . . . . . . .
B: But my recollection is 4 to 5.
G: Mr. Moriarty, do you have something to add?
M: No, I haven't.
G: Then, it is now 6:45 p.m. and this is the termination of the tape.
[end of page five and final page of document]
[Note: Audrey Bell's drawing of the metallic fragments is not attached to the interview]
part 1 Audrey Bell states that she received 4-5 fragments from JBC's wrist.
(there are only 3 in evidence)
In part 2 Audrey tell us that
Washington kept Dr. Perry up on the phone all night trying to get him to
his story about
a throat entrance wound.
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