on Lyndon Johnson's Murder of John Kennedy and Tatro's
encounter with Vincent Bugliosi
TATRO ON LYNDON JOHNSON�S MURDER OF JOHN KENNEDY
AND TATRO�S ENCOUNTER WITH VINCENT BUGLIOSI AT A
"Author pokes holes in official Kennedy theory
By Kevin Ryden
Published: Monday, May 7, 2007 3:03 PM CDT
While the Mafia, CIA, Russians, Cubans and any
number of groups could have killed Kennedy,
Tatro said, they could not get Kennedy's car to
drive only 11 mph without a bubbletop through
Dealey Plaza in Dallas.
That came from within LBJ's powerful inner
circle and some of the Secret Service, according
to Tatro, who did not have kind words about the
36th president of the United States.
�He was one of the most amoral human beings
who ever lived,� he said. �I think he's second
only to Hitler.�
Johnson was friends with FBI Director J.
Edgar Hoover and had information about Kennedy's
womanizing and other issues and bribed his
way into being on the ticket, Tatro said.
He said notes from Kennedy's former secretary,
Eleanor Lincoln, indicated that JFK wanted to
drop LBJ from the ticket.
�So, there's your motive,� he said.
Trip to Texas
On April 23, 1963, Johnson went on Texas
radio to announce that Kennedy would be coming
to the state in the fall. Neither Kennedy or
the White House ever announced that, Tatro said.
The only reason Kennedy decided to go,
according to Tatro, was to attend a ceremonial
dinner for an ailing Texas congressman.
Jack Valenti, who died last Thursday, invited
Kennedy and was a close and loyal friend to
Johnson. �That's how they got him (Kennedy)
there,� Tatro said.
Valenti married Johnson's secretary, with
whom Johnson had an affair, Tatro claimed.
Valenti's daughter ended up tall �with big
ears,� he said, alleging that Valenti's daughter
was, in fact, Johnson's.
The route the motorcade took in Dealey Plaza was
surrounded by buildings and trees, he
emphasized, something that bothered Jerry Bruno,
who scouted the area for security for Kennedy.
Texas Gov. John Connally, another close friend
to Johnson who was sitting next to Kennedy in
the motorcade and was shot, pushed for the route
Bruno did not like, according to Tatro.
Expressing his displeasure to Bruno's advice,
Connally apparently stated, �This is not how we
do it in Texas,� Tatro said, later alleging that
Connally's job was to �sucker Kennedy to get
(him) to Texas.�
Bruno was asked by the White House to come back
to Washington, D.C., and another aide was sent
to smooth over relations with Connally.
That man, Tatro said, was Bill Moyers, who is
now a famous journalist and public commentator.
�One of the greatest men of all time. Hogwash,�
Tatro said sarcastically.
When Moyers was questioned by the House Select
Committee on Assassinations, Tatro said he was
�less than clear on all the details� and could
not recall if he had ever even visited Dallas.
Those who believe Oswald was the lone gunman
have the funds and technology to make their
point, Tatro said, adding that people like him
have limited resources.
After Ruby was convicted of killing Oswald, he
wrote a lot of letters from prison.
In one of those letters, Tatro said Ruby
wrote, �If you hear honking of horns, it will be
me. They will want my blood.�
Tatro played an audio recording
of the newscast in which Oswald was shot. In the
recording, one hard honk can be heard, followed
by a soft honk and then the gunshot that killed
Tatro believes Ruby was �trying
Tatro noted a disparaging quote by Ruby about
Johnson: �Compared to Lyndon Johnson, I am a
Ruby also made many telephone calls while in
prison to powerful individuals within organized
crime, but the Warren Commission never
investigated, Tatro said.
In the late 1970s, the Washington Post published
an editorial which stated that two shooters who
did not know each other could have killed
Tatro downplayed the editorial and said it
showed �how stupid� the Washington Post believed
The Warren Commission
The Canadian government also destroyed documents
about Oswald, Tatro said after explaining that
he tried to obtain that information in 1990.
�If the guy did it alone and is a nut, what are
you destroying this stuff for?� Tatro asked.
Former President Gerald Ford was a member of the
commission. In 1966, he wrote a book, �Portrait
of the Assassin,� which explained that Oswald
Tatro said Ford had the book published
regardless of knowing that all Warren Commission
members were barred from profiting from their
knowledge. The book also contained top-secret
information, which Tatro said Ford did not have
permission to print.
�That's treason,� he said.
Ford was never charged with any wrongdoing.
Popular but canceled
In 2003, Tatro was part of a History Channel
program called �The Men Who Killed Kennedy: The
Guilty Men.� Part of the program discussed
Johnson's alleged involvement.
According to Tatro, it was the History Channel's
highest-rated show ever and made more than $2
million in DVD sales.
After the program concluded, Johnson's former
advisors, including Valenti and Moyers, demanded
the show never be played on the cable network
again, Tatro said.
The show was removed from the History Channel's
Kevin Ryden can be reached at
TATRO ON HIS MEETING WITH VINCENT BUGLIOSI AT A
Tuesday, May 22, 2007 Vincent Bugliosi spoke
about his new
book, Reclaiming History, at the Brattle Theatre
Massachusetts. Approximately 70 patrons were
there. A young girl
representing the Harvard Book Store introduced
him in a highly
complimentary manner and he received a positive
reception from the
crowd. I sensed immediately that I was in the
minority. My best friend,
Rick Russo, a humble, but confident individual,
excellent knowledge and insights into the JFK
case, filmed Bugliosi's
Priscilla Johnson MacMillan, the journalist with
who interviewed Oswald in Russia and
subsequently pegged him in a
published article shortly after 11/22/63 as an
obvious loser who must
have killed JFK, sat one row in front of me, but
seats away. She kept turning around to look at
me. I expected she
recognized me from somewhere, but couldn't
remember who I was. One row
behind me, and two rows directly behind
MacMillan sat a couple who
clearly recognized me, but I didn't know who
they were at the time.
Bugliosi began his speech by complaining about
which possessed wheels. As a result he couldn't
lean on it at all. He
also complained about the instability of his
microphone stand. He
admitted that he complains all the time and
incessantly. He interjected an anecdote about a
hotel room in which
the bathroom light didn't work unless he managed
to push a switch near
the front door of his room.
He made mention about the difficulty in
pronouncing his name
which clearly irritates him since he has brought
the issue up at other
speaking engagements. He cited one person who
called him, "Mr. Bella
Lugosi." The audienced found his schtick
The rest of the night was all business,
dripping in condescending ire. Bugliosi called
Reclaiming History, "A
book for the ages." He made it clear that
"Modesty is not a vitue" in
his self-absorbed mind. He felt it a necessity
to be assertive and
confident in overdrive in order to assure all
that he is beyond reproach in integrity and
fighting spirit, that they
just can't beat his positions on the JFK matter.
He admitted that he
wanted to make a lot of money, but that
marketability was second in
priority to scholarship. There is no question in
my mind that Bugliosi
absolutely loves himself and intentionally
projects that image, one
that also oozes with controlled disdain while on
He said that he could have prosecuted Oswald in
two-three-four days, but after 44 years of
conspiracy books, the JFK
assassination has become "the most complex
murder case in history." It
has become a "bottomless pit" and that admission
may have been his one
assertion that will not be challenged.
Basically, his speech paraphrased the
introduction to his
book and the half hour filmed interview
available on his web site. His
primary contention is Oswald's sole guilt. He
cited that 53 pieces of
evidence confirm that Oswald alone committed the
JFK and Tippit
murders and he rattled off five points
concerning the matter....
Oswald owned the Carcano; he was the only TSBD
employee to flee; he
killed Tippit; he pulled a gun at the theatre
where he was arrested;
and he lied about owning a rifle. Bugiosi knows
Oswald lied because
the backyard photos show him with the rifle.
Bugliosi boasts that "no reasonable person" can
with him. The unyielding arrogance and
unmitigated self-assurance of
his declarations were endless--- No credible
evidence of conspiracy
exists. Bugliosi admits that motive, means and
for many organizations to commit the crime, but
these basics, espoused
constantly by conspiracy theorists, are just not
enough. Motives prove
nothing. Besides, the FBI found no Oswald
connections to groups like
the Mafia or the CIA, and no one who is
"credible" has ever leaked
anything substantiating a conspiracy.
The integrity of the FBI, is obviously
Bugliosi as he made his assertions, and the
definition of "credible"
certainly is one that might be interesting to
determine if a phalanx
of reseachers were allowed open access to him in
a proper forum.
Bugliosi states as fact that Oswald was such a
no organization would have trusted him as a
hired killer, and that the
Mob or the CIA would have killed him instantly,
if they had employed
him. He cited that he has amassed 32 concrete
proofs that no
conspiracy existed and those who believe in a
conspriacy are either
silly or ignorant of the evidence. The simmering
rage and belittling
of "conspiracy buffs" was ever-present.
Bugliosi stated that the parade route was set so
no conspirators could have been ready in time.
To think otherwise is
just "silly." He explained the head snap as a
that the Zapruder frames show a 2.3 inch forward
head movement before
the eventual snap backward. And anyone who
alleges that the Zapruder
film has been altered is a fool. Before
answering questions from the
audience, he made it clear that no other weapons
were found and no
other bullets were discovered either.
I do not claim that the above synopsis covers
Bugliosi offered, but it covers most of his
overview. The questions
asked by the audience showed little or no
knowledge of the inticate
and complex aspects of the case. Most annoying
were those who gushed
over him like rock and roll groupies as well as
questions as to why the masses would (foolishly)
buy into conspiracy
theories. Such discussion never pressed Bugliosi
to defend any of his
premises and the Q & A was so short-lived, there
was little time to
engage him in any meaningful dialogue.
One individual named Tony Marsh, called him a
one point and Bugliosi just carried on with his
outburst tended to reinforce the idea that some
are obsessive and rude in their approach to the
case. Audience members
behind Marsh lashed out at him later as book
buyers lined up for
Bugliosi's autograph and Marsh angrily shouted
back at them.
At this point I walked over to Priscilla Johnson
MacMillan and asked her if I could get a
photograph of the two of us
together. The gentleman who had sat behind her
offered to take the
picture. I thought I might be able to use it if
I ever publish my own
book about the complicity of LBJ, his handlers
and his cronies in the
Dealey Plaza caper.
She asked me who I was, and I told her that I
testified before President Clinton's
Assassination Records Review
Board (ARRB) in Boston in 1995 right after her
testimony. I told her I
was a member of those who spoke in Nigel
Turner's "The Guilty Men,"
that I had corresponded with Oswald's mother,
was friendly with Marina
Oswald and Judyth Baker. I concluded by saying
that I disagreed with
everything Bugiosi had just said.
The man who took the photo was named Paul and he
that he had taken my course years ago at Quincy
College. His derisive
tone was such that it was evident to me that he
EVERYTHING I had ever said in twenty-five hours
of class (3,000
slides). I was momentarily stunned and a little
hurt. I told him that
my class was twenty years ago and I added,
"Imagine what I know now."
He replied, "Unless you can link that little
weasel, Oswald, to LBJ,
you don't have a case." His constant smile was
hard and unfriendly.
I tried briefly to cite a few issues, (nine
who observed a bullet hole in the windshield),
but he had no intention
of listening. I was just not "there" in his
closed mind. As I walked
away, knowing the futility of pursuing any
meaningful interaction, I
was thinking to myself that I knew Oswald's best
friend, George de
Mohrenschildt, is described in recently
documents as a "business associate" of Lyndon
Baines Johnson, but
those Brattle Theatre folks wouldn't have read
them if I had those
documents right in my hands.
I decided to have Bugliosi sign my book and get
photo of him too. When I reached the signing
table, I told him, "I've
known Gary Mack for thrty-five years."
His eyes lit up and a broad smile beamed. He
"I'll be seeing Gary Thursday."
Then I told him that I had edited Madeleine
memoirs and was a primary recruiter for those
who participated in "The
Guilty Men". The smile faded.
I told him that I had read some of the book and
said, "We will have to agree to disagree." I
added that I knew a lot
of information that he didn't. He advised me to
read the rest of the
book to make sure of that. I told him I would do
so. He smiled again.
He wanted to know my name, and when I said, "Ed
Tatro," he admitted
knowing it in some vague manner from his
I concluded (sarcastically), "I'm one of the
In a rather gracious moment, he said, "But
searching for the truth."
I replied, "Yes." I refrained from saying that I
a lot of it, but I didn't want to act like him,
and it was clear
throughout the night that the book buyers behind
me were barely
tolerating folks like me.
The line of people behind me was lengthy and I
real purpose in confronting him on any issues of
substance. The time,
place, and circumstances were just not conducive
While in line, I had briefly offered advice to
Marsh that this was no place for him to get into
a shouting match,
that he was not appreciated here by this
gathering, and it might be
best to keep his cool.
I managed to meet Priscilla again and she said,
told me you used to teach a course on the
assassination. When is your
book coming out?" I wasn't sure I had mentioned
my book previously,
but it was clear to me that she and Paul were
friends. The question
was---Did they become friends later in life or
were they friends when
he took my course? I don't know that answer. I
do know an FBI
informant named Hollis Mosher, (identified as
such in his obituary),
took my course four or five times so it
shouldn't surprise me if a
friend of a CIA asset had done so also. Am I
being wisely cautious or
am I paranoid? We know that Bugliosi would call
the latter notion,
I told her that she must be thrilled with this
and she said she had not read it yet, but she
admitted that she was
glad that Bugliosi had confronted the conspiracy
theories. I spoke
candidly by telling her that many researchers
had brought forth some
outrageous concepts, but for Bugliosi to lump
critics into one lump was unfair. Having earned
three college degrees,
I certainly do not consider myself insane,
irrational or unreasonable.
She seemed to accept that criticism, but
stoically so with an
Bugliosi headed in Priscilla's direction and
her profusely for her input. He told her that he
could not have
written the book without her help.
The gathering was breaking up and Bugliosi's
sizable entourage of disciples followed him out
to a waiting auto.
Rick Russo and Bugliosi began a rather intense
debate over the nature
of JFK's head wounds. Rick cited many witnesses
who had observed a
frontal shot, but Bugliosi rejected anything he
pointed out. It's
difficult to share any meaningful postions on a
street corner, one
inundated by youngsters unwilling to hear any
viewpoint contrary to
One 20-something said, "No one said any shots
from the grassy knoll that day" to another
Bugliosi supporter. I
snapped, "What are you talking about? Sixty-four
witnesses said shots
came from the grassy knoll."
He said, "Not that day!"
Of course, as this clown was defending his
could still picture the video of Bill Newman
telling a Dallas
television crew (THAT DAY) that the shot had
been fired from the
It was time to leave. I talked to one 28 year
admitted knowing virtually nothing, and I
advised him to read as many
books as he could.
Twenty years ago I had watched Bugiosi debate
Lane in Boston. After the debate ended, I
engaged Bugliosi in
conversation. A lingering crowd of twenty or so
around us. I told him that there were lots of
problems with the
evidence and I gave him one example. Since I was
constantly teaching a
course at the time, the names were fresh in my
mind. I discussed the
chain of transfer for the "magic bullet," CE
399. The bullet was found
by hospital employee, Darrell Tomlinson who gave
it to O. P. Wright, a
hospital security guard. Wright gave it to a
Secret Service man named
Richard Johnsen, who brought it back aboard Air
Force One. Johnsen
turned it over to James Rowley, the chief of the
Secret Service and he
gave it to FBI agent Elmer Todd who gave it to
Robert Frazier of the
FBI who conducted the ballistic tests upon the
Unlike Todd and Frazier, Johnson and Rowley
that they never marked their initials into the
bullet, a grave error
in judgment if Oswald had ever been properly
brought to trial. Any
clever defense attorney would have introduced
the possibilty of a
bullet switch to frame his client, particularly
in a political murder
such as this.
Bugliosi dismissed the issue immediately by
that errors like that occur all the time. I
countered that they
shouldn't happen, especially in a case
concerning the murder of the
president of the United States. It is evident to
me that Bugliosi's
cavalier approach and powers of denial
concerning the BIG DALLAS LIE
have existed for decades. Thus, I wasn't really
surprised when his
advanced placement version of Posner's Case
Closed hit the book
Now we know, thanks to the excellent research by
Josiah Thompson and Gary Aguilar, (See the
History Matters web site),
that FBI agent Bardwell Odum's name was cited on
FBI documents in
which hospital employees, Tomlinson and Wright
stated with confidence
that the bullet they had handled had not
resembled CE 399. Odum insisted to
Thompson and Aguilar that he never handled the
bullet, never showed it
to the two witnesses and never wrote the FBI
documents in evidence.
Furthermore John Hunt's meticulous research (see
essays, particularly, "Frazier Speaks,")
confirms that CE 399 does not
contain the carved initials of FBI agent Elmer
Todd. Thus, CE 399 is
NOT the same bullet which Todd handed to FBI
agent Robert Frazier. I
doubt Bugliosi even knows about Hunt's explosive
essays about the
bullet/ballistic anomalies in this case.
Twenty years ago, I tried one last time with the
Manson prosecutor. I told him Emory Brown and I
had discovered a
sidewalk mark consistent with a bullet scar (and
a suspicious history
as well in its background), which coincided with
photo blow-ups in my
possession of a human-like figure holding a
rifle-like object on the
grassy knoll south, the unfamous knoll.
Bugliosi said he wanted me to send him copies
wrote his name and address on a piece of paper.
But the next night the
Boston newspapers quoted Bugliosi as saying,
buffs are like wolves baying at the moon."
I never contacted him. I'm glad I didn't...
Suffice it to say, on May 22, 2007, Rick and I
Cambridge with a general sense of cynicism, but
with a quiet
understanding, that even if we can't win this
mighty quest, that we
have much work to do in an effort to fight the
good fight for the
principles of justice and democracy. We must
never capitulate despite
the odds against our success. We must not allow
Bugliosi's mastery of
fallacious arguments to stand unchallenged. He
is a worthy adversary,
but his lone nut theory is more than "silly." It
is a classic
representation of Orwellian propaganda and needs
to be addressed
despite our limited resources and minmal access
to the national media.
Suck: Tatro pins the tail on Bella Lugosi
article's author conflates Valenti with Thomas,
the infamous �Winker,� whose memorial dinner
November 21 was the fatal attraction.
Tatro is too limiting in crediting Johnson for
the whole enchilada, but is to be commended for
confronting the insufferable ego of the lying
recommend the nine-part review of the Bugliosi
brick by Jim DiEugenio as thorough and
Doug Horne's Inside the ARRB Volumes I-V include
much which is destructive of Bugliosi's b.s.
Including the Boswell skull drawing of the wound
which incorporates (finally) the occipital
blowout seen by forty at Parkland and Bethesda,
as an adjunct to the Mammoth Suspicious Defect
or Humes' Fifteen Minutes of Fame With a Fireax.
Tatro is to be commended for confronting the
had he but poured some water on Priscilla she
might have shriveled before his eyes, hissing,
Ed Tatro is a warrior for the truth, and my
respect for him is beyond measure.
Lyndon Baines Johnson was a mid-level
Facilitator in the Kennedy conspiracy.
other JFK Forums are you on, Phil?
Phil, I learn more from you and Jim DiEugenio
than anyone else on the JFK forums. What other
forums are you on? Education Forum, JFK Lancer,
JFK murdersolved, JFK history ... any more?
Yes, it was Albert Thomas with the wink on the
plane; he probably was responding to a WINK by
Lyndon Johnson himself; I don't think Thomas
would be the wink instigator. Btw, the negative
of the film for that wink is now GONE ... yet
the picture survives.
William Manchester was forced by the Kennedys to
remove perhaps 100-200 pages from his book Death
of a President. Much of that would be relating
to Lyndon Johnson's atrocious behavior on the
day of the assassination, especially on the
Lyndon Johnson was not just an elite sponsor as
well as the Mastermind of the JFK assassination;
he was friends with all the insider big dogs
behind it... HL Hunt, Clint Murchision, Sr. ...
likely plotter Allen Dulles who had been to his
ranch in 1960, Nelson Rockefeller (the elite of
the insider CIA/CFR Eastern Establishment elite)
who LBJ enthusiastically supported for president
in 1968 (to continue the cover up!). I don't
think that James F. McCloy was involved in the
JFK murder, but that elite Rockefeller/CIA/CFR
tool was - along with #1 Allen Dulles and
CIA/FBI Ford - the top cover up artist on the
Dulles Commission, ... I mean the "Warren
Commission." Lyndon Johnson was the one who gave
the CIA/mafia/anti-Castro Cubans the green light
to slaughter JFK. They knew he and Hoover would
cover for them after the crime.
Lyndon Johnson was also MICROMANAGING the JFK
assassination, especially the details of the
motorcade and making sure the bubble top was off
(Bill Moyers) and that the lunch was at the
Trade Mart (John Connally)... LBJ even tried to
get at the last minute Connally moved to his
Lincoln convertible and Ralph Yarborough put in
the kill zone.
But the nugget that really clinches it for me
re: LBJ's MICROMANAGING the JFK assassination,
was that just before the trip Lyndon Johnson was
pleading/asking/demanding that JACKIE KENNEDY
RIDE IN HIS CAR, not with JFK!! I think Senator
George Smathers told that story on a You Tube
video (now removed) titled "Johnson Wants Jackie
to Ride With Him."
[video now removed for copyright reasons, but
still click on it. I watched the brief clip
about 15-20 times.]
Now that is stunning. LBJ was a "gentleman." He
did not want Jackie's brains to get blown out,
too. I believe that is enough information,
forget everything else, to make a citizen's
arrest on LBJ. Book 'em, Dano!
Originally Posted by
Precisely my view.
Originally Posted by
LBJ certainly knew about it in advance as, by
definition, any facilitator would, and he was
praying it would be successful for a multitude
of selfish reasons.
However, the idea that Lyndon Johnson
masterminded this operation strains credulity
when one considers the sloppiness of the Henry
Marshall and John Kinser murders--both
infinitely more simple killings than the complex
Dealey Plaza operation.
And how did LBJ persuade Jack Ruby to sacrifice
his life for the cause? He couldn't even cajole
the Parkland doctors into manufacturing a
deathbed confession from LHO and judging by the
comments he made after his arrest, I don't think
Ruby even liked LBJ.
Other parties persuaded Ruby, and other parties
organised JFK's murder, and they knew future
historians would most likely blame LBJ. LBJ
probably knew that he would eventually be
implicated but he didn't really care. He was
desperate to avoid jail and desperate to be
Chief Executive. So long as the mainstream media
was his staunch ally, he knew he was safe for
the rest of his life. There was no internet in
"...firmness in the right (?) is indispensible today
[/I]Excerpt from the President's televised report on
the Gulf of Tonkin incident delivered on August 4,
1964 by Lyndon Johnson--electoral fraudster, liar,
coward, murderer, and Zionism's greatest American
friend and facilitator.