MEXICO CITY
AZCUE's TESTIMONY AT THE BOTTOM.
During the time frame between late September and early October Oswald was reported in two different places.
First, Oswald was reported in Dallas at Sylvia Odio's soliciting contributions for an Anti-Castro group. (DRE) DRE was a CIA run group.
Sylvia said Oswald was in the company of two Anti-Castro Cubans named Leopoldo and Angelo.
The FBI said the Anti-Castro Cubans were Eugene Hall & Lawrence Howard in the company of Billy Seymour,
Seymour, supposedly mistaken for Oswald.
All 3 of whom DENIED that they were at Sylvia Odio's house.
All 3 of whom were connected to CIA through the B O P invasion.
A day or 2 later Leopoldo called Odio on the phone and, said Oswald was a former Marine who was crazy/expert shot.
According to Leopoldo, Oswald made the comment that JFK should be killed because of the Bay of Pigs fiasco.
NOT a good idea connecting a "pre-planned" Assassination to "Anti-Castro Cubans"
..........Enter 2nd Story.
SECOND, Oswald was reported in Mexico City by the CIA. The Government tells us that Oswald contacted both the Russian and Cuban embassies to get a Visa to go to both Countries.
We are told that while at the Russian Embassy Oswald pulled a gun on a Russian official. (Without being killed/Arrested?)
Without getting Killed/Arrested?
We are told that Oswald spoke with KGB Agent in charge of Assassinations in the Western hemisphere Valarie Kostikov. Oswald reportedly offered to kill JFK to Kostikov.
We learned that the CIA had both Embassies under surveillance by cameras & audio surveillance.
When the Warren Commission asked the CIA for photos of Oswald at those Embassies they received the following pictures.
This guy don't come close to ANY pictures of Oswald see below
When the Warren Commission asked the CIA for the "Audio Surveillance" the CIA said that the tapes were "Routinely" Reused.
YEAH RIGHT The CIA has Oswald on audio tape offering to kill the President of the United States of America to the Russian KGB in charge of assassinations in the western hemisphere and they want us to believe they "Routinely Re-Used it"
THAT story has 2 challenges;
1. FBI Report signed by J. Edgar Hoover admitting that the FBI has the tape and it is NOT Oswald's voice on the tape.
Then we have the transcript of a conversation between Hoover & LBJ on Sunday.
Page 1a
"...[LBJ] and J. Edgar Hoover have a telephone conversation. 10:01
a.m.
EST, and it's very interesting. This is 10 o'clock in the morning,
Saturday, less than 24 hours have gone by, and what does Johnson ask
Hoover? 'Have you established any more about the visit to the Soviet
embassy in Mexico in September?'
[See p. 520 of Oswald and the CIA. Also President Johnson telephone
conversation with FBI director Hoover, November 23, 1963.
Note: November 23rd audiotape is not available, only the transcript.
LBJ and Hoover: LBJ tapes, November 29, 1963 (Real Audio 19:51 minutes)
Second conversation between LBJ and J. Edgar Hoover (Director, FBI).
Mexico City section is appx 3 minutes into the conversation.]
"I will endeavor to prove to you today that that was the prime concern and
had been since sometime the previous afternoon. And here Johnson the
moment he gets out of bed the first conversation he has with the FBI
Director, the first chance he gets to ask a question and this is what he
wants to know about. He wants to know about Mexico City, and the Soviet
Embassy down there. And then Hoover's answer is classic, 'No. That's one
angle that's very confusing.'
"How many people in this room have ever seen a document where Mr. Hoover
said he was confused about something?
(laughter.)
"It's rare. But, he is. Because he said, 'We have up here the tape and the
photograph of the man who was at the Soviet embassy using Oswald's name.
That picture and the tape do not correspond to this man's voice nor to his
appearance. In other words it appears there was a second person who was at
the Soviet embassy down there.'
"And shortly after that Mr. Hoover wrote a memo to the head of the Secret
Service, James Rowley. This is Hoover now writing to Rowley. 'The Central
Intelligence Agency advised that on 1 October, 1963 an extremely sensitive
source,' this is the LIENVOY, the telephone taping system that they had in
place down there 'reported that an individual identified himself as Lee
Oswald who contacted the Soviet embassy in Mexico City inquiring,' and so
on and so forth, 'Special Agents of this Bureau who have conversed with
Oswald in Dallas have observed photographs of the individual referred to
above and have listened to a recording of his voice. Special Agents are of
the opinion that it was not Oswald...'
Interrogate "FORCEFULLY"
2. Signed Report by Warren Commission Staff Lawyer David Slawson
AND......From the CIA itself below
J. Edgar Hoover said someone was Impersonating Oswald
INTENTIONAL DECEPTION HERE? (below)
The woman who served Oswald in the Cuban Embassy was Silvia Duran a Mexican National.
Duran originally said the Oswald arrested for the assassination was NOT the same Oswald she served Oswald in Mexico City.
Silvia Duran and her whole family were arrested by the Mexican authorities TWICE.
ANNNNNNNNNNNNNND!
FOR TIMMY-YEUHD
HSCA III pg. 103
METRIC CONVERSION
162 CENTIMETERS EQUALS 63.7995 INCHES.
63.7795 Divided by 12 inches is
"FIVE FOOT, THREE INCHES.
THERE is your 5'3" Timmy/Yeuhd.
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Mr. CORNWELL. Senor Azcue, the pictures on the upper lefthand portion of
each document would appear to be of the same individual; is that correct?
Senor AZCUE. Yes, sir.
Mr. CORNWELL. Do those pictures of that individual appear to you to be
the same individual who visited the consulate in
Senor AZCUE. Truly, this photograph is one that I saw for the first time
when the honorable
But my belief is that this gentleman was not, is not, the person or the
individual who went to the consulate.
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TESTIMONY OF SENOR ALFREDO MIRABAL DIAZ,
Chairman STOKES. Were there ever any occasions when an application form would be signed in blank?
Senor MIRABAL. During the 11 months that I was there, that was never done.
Chairman STOKES. And under the procedure as you knew it, were applicants ever permitted to take the application forms
out of the consular office?
Senor MIRABAL. To my knowledge, no. The ministry did not allow that to be done. I could not authorize it, and as far as I know,
it was never done.
Chairman STOKES. Thank you, Mr. Mirabal. Is there anything further?
The gentleman from Tennessee, Mr. Ford.
Mr. FORD. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
Could I get Mr. Mirabal to describe Mr. Oswald's demeanor, please?
Senor MIRABAL. What I recall, and this, of course, is not only an image that time has eroded, but also I looked at him without
concentrating great attention on him. At that time his appearance was not a cause of concern, but rather the events that
were taking place at that time, the loud conversation, et cetera.
As I recall him, he was a rather small man, medium height or somewhat less, narrow shoulders. I believe he was wearing a coat,
short hair. I do not recall him having a moustache. He did have a serious expression on his face. He appeared hard or tough,
someone who is upset or unhappy. That is the image that I retain of him.
Chairman STOKES. The time of the gentleman has expired. Is there anyone else seeking recognition?
Mr. Mirabal, at the conclusion of a witness' testimony before our committee, he is entitled under the rules of this
committee and of the House to address the committee for a period of 5 minutes in the event he desires to in any way
clarify his testimony or expand upon it or explain it. I would at this time extend to you 5 minutes for that purpose if you so desire.
Senor MIRABAL. Thank you. I would like to state to the members of the committee that in connection with this entire process
of the two visits that he made to the consulate, my impression from the very first moment was that it was in fact a provocation.
He insisted on the urgency of his need for a visa. He indicated that he was being persecuted. He indicated that he could not stay
long in Mexico, that he had an urgent need to travel to Cuba and therefrom to go to the Soviet Union.
On the first day he was not given the visa because he did not fulfill the necessary requirements, requirements that are asked of
all individuals who are visa applicants.
On the second time he came to file the application, and yet he insisted that he needed to have it processed rapidly
with great urgency. It was because of these demands of his that the argument with Mr. Azcue and with the secretary followed,
and in fact during the argument he accused us all of not being true revolutionaries, of not being sensitive to the fact that he
was being persecuted.
I must say that from the very beginning I considered this a provocation, and I assured that in the manner in which we handled
the case we followed the directives of the Foreign Ministry in the
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The Oswald at Sylvia Odio's house was about 5'10" (Volume XI page 378)
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Mr. LIEBELER. About how tall was he?
Mrs. ODIO. He wasn't too tall. He was maybe 4 inches taller than I am.
Mr. LIEBELER. How tall are you?
Mrs. ODIO. I am 5 feet 6 inches.
Mr. LIEBELER. So you think he was about 5 feet 10?
Mrs. ODIO. Probably.
Mr. LIEBELER About how was he built? Was he a heavy man or a light man?
Mrs. ODIO. He was kind of a skinny man, because the shirt looked big on him, like it was borrowed.
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WCR supporters claim that during this time, Oswald was in Houston making a phone call to Twifford's.
On
September 25th, Oswald was in
SEE
HSCA Report page 139
(HSCA Believed Odio)
On September 26th,
Oswald
was in
SEE
Volume V page 613.
Mr.
RANKIN. Well apparently, Mrs. Oswald, the facts show that the check was cashed
by your husband
with a stamped mark of the bank,
dated the 26th of September, in
As of 11/25/63 the Dallas FBI already Heard CIA audio tapes. See Below.
Silvia Duran then and only then ID'd Oswald as the one she served in Mexico City.
The Oswald in Mexico City spoke "Broken Russian".
The REAL Oswald spoke Perfect Russian.
Even Cuban Counsel Eusebio Azcue testified that the man he encountered 3 times claiming to be Oswald was NOT the Real Oswald. HSCA volume III.
Oswald brandished a Gun at the Consulate according to KGB officer Oleg Nechipronko in his book Passport to Assassination page 77.
HERE'S ANOTHER INSTANCE OF DECEPTION below
HSCA III page 126 Eusebio Azcue.
Senor AZCUE. Yes, sir, not so close to the date, not in the first few days, not immediately thereafter. Some time I calculate approximately-and I say this because I am not a great movie fan, but it was in mid-December approximately--I saw at that time the film in which Ruby appears assassinating the Oswald who was there, and I was not able to identify him and only 2 months had gone by since I had seen the Oswald who appeared at the consulate. And I had a clear mental picture because we had had an unpleasant discussion and he had not been very pleasant to me and I did not recognize when I first saw him. I did not recognize Oswald.
The man who went to the consulate was a man over 30 years of age and very thin, very thin faced. And the individual I saw in the movie was a young man, considerably younger, and a fuller face.
Mr. CORNWELL. What color hair did the individual have to the best of your memory who visited the consulate?
Senor AZCUE. He was blond, dark blond.
Mr. CORNWELL. Did the individual you saw in the movie, the person who was killed by Jack Ruby, resemble more closely the individual in these photographs to your memory than the individual who visited the consulate?
Senor AZCUE. I believe so.
Mr. CORNWELL. I would like to show you JFK exhibit F-434. Do the representatives from the National Archives have the original or a small photograph of that exhibit?
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While they are looking, Mr. Chairman, I believe we neglected to ask that JFK exhibit F-407 be admitted into evidence.
Chairman STOKES. Without objection it may be entered into evidence.
[The information follows:]
JFK EXHIBIT F-407
Mr. CORNWELL. That is a passport. May we have that exhibit admitted into evidence, Mr. Chairman, JFK F-434?
Chairman STOKES. Without objection it may be entered into evidence.
[The information follows:]
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JFK EXHIBIT F-434
Mr. CORNWELL. Did the individual who visited the consulate look like that individual?
Senor AZCUE. No.
Mr. CORNWELL. What differences were there?
Senor AZCUE. Many differences. The individual who visited the consulate is one whose physiognomy or whose face I recall very clearly. He had a hard face. He had very straight eyebrows, cold, hard, and straight eyes. His cheeks were thin. His nose was very straight and pointed. This gentleman looks like he is somewhat heavier, more filled, his eyes are at an angle with the outside of his
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eye, at an angle with his face. I would have never identified him or recognized him.
I believe I can recall with fairly good accuracy the individual in such a way that I could recognize him now in a group of 100, that is better than a photograph of him because obviously during a period of 15 years he might change. I think I could recognize him, and this is not him.
Mr. CORNWELL. We would like to show you what has been previously admitted into evidence in this case as Exhibit 194. As you can see, Senor Azcue, the pictures on the right are simply blowups of the same visa application, but I would like to direct your attention to the two pictures on the left which come from photographs taken by the Dallas Police Department.
I ask you if that individual looks like the man who visited the consulate?
Senor AZCUE. I would have never recognized him as I did not recognize him in the movie where he dies, and I can, however, identify him as or think of him as the person who was killed or assassinated by Ruby. It is a question of personal evaluation on my part. But it is very clearly imprinted.
Mr. CORNWELL. The staff of the committee has had an opportunity to speak to Mrs. Sylvia Duran, and during the interview with her she expressed no doubt about the fact that the person who was killed in Dallas by Jack Ruby was the individual who visited the consulate.
Do you have any reason to question her memory or the reason that her memory might differ from yours?
Senor AZCUE. Categorically, I could not affirm it without any doubt. However, it is possible that she might be more susceptible to impression or more impressionable than I. I remember what I saw on the film and also what I saw on TV later or maybe before. I remember that moment when he was killed and I remember I did not recognize him. I did not have any prejudices or preconceptions.
I wanted to recognize, however, only 2 months had gone by. It was between September and November. At that time I was much younger. That was 15 years ago, and I think that because of my own profession I probably had better eyes. And because of the impression that was made by this person who visited the consulate, for these reasons, maybe my version is correct or more correct.
Mr. CORNWELL. Thank you. I have no further questions.
Chairman STOKES. At this point the procedure will be as follows: The Chair will recognize the gentleman from North Carolina, chairman of the Kennedy subcommittee, Mr. Preyer, for such time as he may consume, after which the committee will operate under the 5-minute rule.
The Chair recognizes Mr. Preyer.
Mr. PREYER. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Azcue, it is good to see you again.
As I understand it, at the time Lee Harvey Oswald visited the consul in Mexico there were three people who could have seen him: yourself, Sylvia Duran and Mr. Mirabal. Is that correct?
Senor AZCUE. That is correct.
Mr. PREYER. And you were the consul at that time and Mr. Mirabal was in training to replace you as consul?
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Sylvia
Odio WC Volume II
Mr.
LIEBELER. Tell us all the
circumstances surrounding the event when Oswald came to your house.
Mrs. ODIO. Well, I had been having little groups of Cubans coming to my
house who have been asking me to help
them in JURE. They were going to open a
revolutionary paper here in
Those are my activities before Oswald came. Of course, all the Cubans
knew
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that
I was involved in JURE, but it did not have a lot of sympathy in
Mr. LIEBELER. Because of what now?
Mrs. ODIO. Because I was sympathetic with Ray and this movement. Ray
has always had the propaganda
that he is a leftist and that he is Castro without
Castro. So at that time I was planning to move over to Oak Cliff
because
it was much nearer to my work in
It either was a Thursday or 'a Friday. It must have been either one of
those days, in the last days of September.
And I was getting dressed to go out
to a friend's house, and she was staying to babysit.
Like I said, the doorbell rang and she went over--she had a housecoat
on--she wasn't dressed properly--and came
back and said, "Sylvia, there are
three men at the door, and one seems to be an American, the other two seem to be
Cubans.
Do you know them ?" So I put a housecoat on and stood at the door.
I never opened my door unless I know who they are,
because I have had occasions
where Cubans. have introduced themselves as having arrived from
So I went to the door, and he said, "Are you Sarita Odio?" And
I said, "I am not. That is my sister studying at the
This at the time struck me funny, because their faces did not seem
familiar, and I asked them for their names.
One of them said his name was
Leopoldo
He
said that was his war name. In all this underground, everybody has a war name.
This was done for safety in
And the other one did give me his name, but I can't recall. I have been
trying to recall. It was something like Angelo.
I have never been able to
remember, and I couldn't be exact on this name, but the other one I am exact on;
I remember perfectly.
Mr. LIEBELER. Let me ask you this before you go ahead with the story.
Which one of the men told you that they were
members of JURE and did most of the
talking? Was it the American?
Mrs. ODIO. The American had not said a word yet.
Mr. LIEBELER. Which one of the Cubans?
Mrs. ODIO. The American was in the middle. They were leaning against the
staircase. There was a tall one.
Let me tell you, they both looked very greasy
like the kind of low Cubans, not educated at all. And one was on the
heavier
side and had black hair. I recall one of them had glasses, if I remember. We
have been trying to establish,
my sister and I, the identity of this man. And
one of them, the tall one, was the one called Leopoldo. Mr. LIEBELER.
He did
most of the talking?
Mrs. ODIO. He did most of the talking. The other one kept quiet, and the
American, we will call him Leon,
said just a few little words in Spanish, trying
to be cute, but very few, like "Hola," like that in Spanish.
Mr. LIEBELER. Did you have a chain on the door, or was the door
completely opened?
Mrs. ODIO. I had a chain.
Mr. LIEBELER. Was the chain fastened?
Mrs. ODIO. No; I unfastened it after a little while when they told me
they were members of JURE, and were
trying
to let me have them come into the house. When I said no, one of them
said, "We are very good friends of your father."
This struck me,
because I didn't think my father could have such kind of friends, unless he knew
them from anti-Castro
activities. He gave me so many details about where they
saw my father and what activities he was in. I mean, they gave
me almost
incredible details about things that somebody who knows him really would or that
somebody informed well knows.
And after a little while, after they mentioned my
father, they started talking about the American.
He said, "You are working in the underground." And I said,
"No, I am sorry
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and
find out when he can set up the viewing of this film, and I will tell You what
time to come back.
Mrs. ODIO. Since I am going to be downtown, do you want me to come back
any special time?
Mr. LIEBELER. I will tell you as soon as I talk to Mr. Sorrels.
Mrs. ODIO. Before I leave?
Mr. LIEBELER. I can't tell you before you leave. I will see if I can set
up a time. When you say that these men came
to your apartment in late September
of 1963, can you give me your best recollection as to how long before the first
of
October they came? You moved out of your apartment in the Crestwood
Apartments on the very last day of September;
is that correct? Or can you.
remember? Is there any way you can check that by finding out when you moved into
your
apartment in Oak Cliff?
Mrs. ODIO. The day I moved, I had gone to work, so it must have been on a
Monday or Tuesday.
This man must have come by the end of the previous weekend.
Mr. LIEBELER. I show you a 1963 calendar and point out to you that the
last day of September was Monday.
Mrs. ODIO. That is probably the day I moved.
Mr. LIEBELER. Did you say that you also started working at a new job that
same day?
Mrs. ODIO. No, sir.
Mr. LIEBELER. But you had been working on the day that you did move?
Mrs. ODIO. I started working initially the 15th of September, because it
was too far away where I lived in
(Special Agent Bardwell O. Odum of the Federal Bureau of Investigation
entered the hearing room.)
Mr. LIEBELER. This is Mr. Odum from the FBI. As a matter of fact, Mr.
Odum was the man that interviewed you.
Mrs. ODIO. I remember. He looked very familiar.
Mr. ODUM. What is the name?
Mrs. ODIO. Odio.
Mr. ODUM. I interview so many people, it slips my mind at the moment.
(Agent Odum left the hearing
room.)
Mr. LIEBELER. Now, you have indicated on the calendar, you circled the
30th of September, and you drew a line
around the 26th, 27th, and 28th of
September. Can you tell me what you meant by that?
Mrs. ODIO. The 30th was the day I moved. The 26th, 27th, and 28th, it
could have been either of those 3 days.
It was not on a Sunday.
Mr. LIEBELER. Now you indicated previously that Leopoldo called you the
immediately following day after they
had been there; is that correct?
Mrs. ODIO. That's correct.
Mr. LIEBELER. And you also testified, according to my recollection, that
you had been at work on the day that
Leopoldo called you; is that correct?
Mrs. ODIO. Yes; it would be the 26th or the 27th for sure.
Mr. LIEBELER. Would you work on Saturday?
Mrs. ODIO. No; but he could have called me Saturday.
But they would have come Thursday or Friday.
Mr. LIEBELER. Thursday or Friday?
Mrs. ODIO. That's right.
Mr. LIEBELER. Because you had been at work on the day they came?
Mrs. ODIO. Yes.
Mr. LIEBELER. Do you remember whether you had been at work on the day
that Leopoldo called you?
Mrs. ODIO. I don't recall that.
Mr. LIEBELER. You can't recall that?
Mrs. ODIO. No. I know I was very busy with the kids, but I don't
remember.
Mr. LIEBELER. I show you a picture which depicts the same individual that
is depicted in an exhibit which has
previously been marked Commission Exhibit
No. 237, and I ask you if you recognize that man.
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HOOVER-LBJ COVER-UP (on 11/23/63)
http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=2044204923
Volume I page 27.
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Mrs. OSWALD. Yes. But we always lived very modestly, and Lee always had some savings. Therefore, he had the money for it.
Mr. RANKIN. Did he say how much it would cost?
Mrs. OSWALD. He had a little over $100 and he said that that would be sufficient.
Mr. RANKIN. Did he talk about getting you a silver bracelet or any presents before he went?
Mrs. OSWALD. It is perhaps more truth to say that he asked me what I would like and I told him that I would like Mexican
silver bracelets. But what he did buy me I didn't like at all. When he returned to Irving, from Mexico City, and I saw the bracelet,
I was fairly sure that he had bought it in New Orleans and not in Mexico City, because I had seen bracelets like that for sale there.
That is why I am not sure that the bracelet was purchased in Mexico.
Lee had an identical bracelet which he had bought in either Dallas or New Orleans. It was a man's bracelet.
Mr. RANKIN. The silver bracelet he gave you when he got back had your name on it, did it not?
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