The Raleigh Call

Dr. Grover B. Proctor, Jr.

Combined from two articles published in Spectator Magazine
July 17 and 24, 1980

One of the most interesting and potentially important aspects of the John
Kennedy assassination may not have anything to do with the murder itself. A
story concerning the actions of the accused assassin, Lee Harvey Oswald, has
simmered on the back burner of the investigation since its discovery ten
years ago, and is considered by leading assassination authorities to be a
key in the unsolved mystery.

Oswald's movements and statements inside the Dallas jail up to the time of
his murder have always been a huge mystery, and any clues to what happened
during that time are vigorously sought by all researchers. So when a story
surfaced that Oswald attempted to place a call from the jail to a person
whose name had not otherwise entered the assassination investigation, it was
big news.

In short, it is alleged that Oswald attempted to place a call to a John Hurt
in Raleigh, North Carolina on Saturday evening, November 23, 1963, but was
mysteriously prevented from completing the call. Though there is speculation
that the call was incoming rather than outgoing (for example, a crank call
to the jail from someone by that name), private and Congressional
researchers believe Oswald, for whatever reasons, was the one attempting the
call. The implications of that call have prompted former U.S. Intelligence
officials to speculate on Oswald's possible link with intelligence agencies.

How We Know What We Know

On the night of November 23, 1963, two telephone operators were working the
switchboard that controlled, among other Dallas municipal offices, the jail.
One of the ladies, Mrs. Alveeta A. Treon, made a statement concerning the
events of that night to assassination researcher and attorney Bernard
Fensterwald some five years after the assassination, but then refused to
sign it on advice from her lawyer, according to Fensterwald. The following
is a condensation of that statement:

Mrs. Treon arrived for work at the switchboard between 10:15 and 10:35 that
evening, and was told by her fellow worker, Mrs. Louise Swinney, that their
supervisor had asked them to assist law enforcement officials to listen to a
call that Lee Harvey Oswald would be making soon. Two men, that Mrs. Treon
thinks might have been Secret Service agents, subsequently came into the
switchboard area and were put in an adjacent room where they could monitor
the expected call.

At about 10:45, the call from the jail came through, and both ladies rushed
to take it. Mrs. Swinney handled the call, as it turned out; wrote down the
information on the number Oswald wished to reach; and notified the two men
of the call. Quoting from Mrs. Treon's statement: "I was dumbfounded at what
happened next. Mrs. Swinney opened the key to Oswald and told him, 'I'm
sorry, the number doesn't answer.' She then unplugged and disconnected
Oswald without ever really trying to put the call through. A few moments
later, Mrs. Swinney tore the page off her notation pad and threw it into the
wastepaper basket."

After Mrs. Swinney left work at approximately 11:00 p.m., Mrs. Treon
retrieved the piece of paper, and copied the information from it onto a
telephone slip commonly used by the operators to record calls, so that she
could keep it as a "souvenir."

That slip, which would turn up seven years later in a Freedom of Information
suit brought by Chicago researcher Sherman H. Skolnick (a civil action filed
in Federal District Court in Chicago, April 6, 1970, No. 70C 790), contains
some startling things. It purports to show a collect call attempted from the
jail by Lee Harvey Oswald to a John Hurt at 919-834-7430 and it gives
another telephone number in the 919 Area Code, 833-1253. (The slip is
reproduced in the Appendix of the 1975 book, Coup d'Etat in America by
Canfield and Weberman, the first major work to deal with the "Raleigh call"
and its implications for Oswald's links to intelligence agencies.)

What do we know about those two telephone numbers? The House Assassinations
Committee gave one of its staffers, Surell Brady, reponsibility for
investigating the "Raleigh Call." Though the committee's final report did
not mention the call, Brady wrote a 28-page internal memorandum outling the
results of their investigation of the incident.

In an insert after page 15 of the document, it is incorrectly reported that
the two numbers listed on the telephone slip "were unpublished in 1963."
This information was reported as having been supplied by Carolyn Rabon of
Southern Bell Telephone Co. in 1978. However, a simple check of the
December, 1962 Southern Bell telephone directory for Raleigh, North Carolina
(which would have been current at the time of the assassination) and the
December, 1963 directory (which would contain any new information and
reflect any changes of listing status) shows that both numbers were

Thus, both of these numbers would have been available to anyone calling
"Information" in Raleigh, asking for a John Hurt. This is the way the
listings appear in those directories:

Hurt John D 415 New Bern Av TE4-7430
Hurt John W Old Wake Forest Rd 833-1253
Hurt John D 201 Hillsbro 834-7430
Hurt John W Old Wake Forest Rd 833-1253

Why Southern Bell would have provided incorrect information, or how they
could have made such a gross mistake, is uncertain.

Who Is John Hurt?

Obviously, the identity of any person whom Lee Harvey Oswald might have
attempted to contact after having been arrested for the murder of the
President would be of immense interest. Other than identifying the second
telephone number as belonging to one "John W. Hurt of [Old Wake] Forest Road
in Raleigh, North Carolina," the Brady report does not supply any
information about that number. Subsequent attempts to trace John W. Hurt
have proven fruitless.

The first number, however, presents less of a mystery. I dialed the number
and spoke at some length with a man who identified himself as John David
Hurt. (Excerpts from that interview accompany this article.) The most
tantalizing aspect of this Mr. Hurt is that he was a U.S. Army
Counterintelligence officer during World War II. Mr. Hurt acknowledged this
wartime service, but denied ever having been anything other than an
insurance investigator and an employee of the State of North Carolina since
the war.

Hurt denied that he made or received a call to or from the Dallas jail or
Lee Harvey Oswald. When asked if he knew of any reason why Lee Harvey Oswald
would wish to call him, he said, "I do not. I never heard of the man before
President Kennedy's death." Mr. Hurt professed to having been a "great
Kennedyphile," and said he "would have been more inclined to kill" Oswald
than anything else. Asked if he had any explanation as to why his name and
telephone number should turn up this way, he said, "None whatever."

I also asked him if he had any knowledge of the second phone number on the
slip, and he said he had never had that number in his use. "My number has
been the same for, oh, I'd say forty years."

Incoming or Outgoing?

So did Oswald attempt to call out? If so, why was his call thwarted by men
in authority? And why would Oswald want to call a man in Raleigh, North
Carolina, who seems never to have heard of him before? And if Oswald didn't
call out, how do we explain Mrs. Treon's statement, one she gave reluctantly
and with no attempt to gain publicity?

To begin with, let's explore the possibility that Oswald did not make the
call. Anthony Summers, in whose 1981 book Conspiracy the Raleigh call has
surfaced most recently, told me privately that some researchers believe the
call in question to have been incoming to the jail, not an attempt by Oswald
to call out. One of the most distinguished of today's assassination
researchers, Paul Hoch, explained to me an alternative theory of his
concerning the events of November 23.

Hoch believes that Hurt, or someone using his name and telephone number,
called the Dallas jail prior to 10:15 p.m. on that date, requesting to speak
to Oswald. He theorizes that whoever took the call, possibly Mrs. Swinney,
scribbled down some information, decided it was a crank call, and threw away
the slip. Later, when Oswald made the call that Mrs. Treon overheard, Hoch
says it was to the New York attorney John Abt, whom Oswald wanted to
represent him. We know from testimony from a Secret Service inspector named
Kelley that Oswald expressed interest in getting help in reaching Abt by

Hoch's theory is based on the assumption that when Mrs. Treon went exploring
for the slip of paper that Mrs. Swinney discarded after the 10:45 call, she
came up with the earlier, incorrect slip that related to the "crank call."
When I asked Hoch how he explained the fact that there were two telephone
numbers on the slip if indeed it were an incoming call, Hoch said he could
not explain it. Neither, by the way, could Bernard Fensterwald when I posed
the same question to him after he told me he also believes Mrs. Treon to
have been mistaken. Mrs. Swinney has, to date, refused to confirm, deny, or
comment on Mrs. Treon's statement.

But at least at present, Hoch's view does not seem to be shared by other
researchers. Sometime after my first conversation with author Anthony
Summers about the Raleigh call, he contacted me by telephone to amend his
earlier, more skeptical comments.

He related an incident that followed a nationally-televised appearance the
week before which featured him and House Assassinations Committee Chief
Counsel G. Robert Blakey. After the program, during a longer, private
conversation covering many aspects of the case, Summers confided to Blakey
some doubt he had about the authenticity of the call, especially concerning
whether it was an incoming call to Oswald, or outgoing from him, as alleged
by Mrs. Treon.

Blakey confessed to being troubled by the call as well, but, to Summers'
surprise, for the exact opposite reason. As a subsequent interview with
Blakey confirmed: "The call apparently is real and it goes out; it does not
come in. That's the sum and substance of it." Blakey continued, "It was an
outgoing call, and therefore I consider it very troublesome material. The
direction in which it went was deeply disturbing." (It should be noted that
another reason for Summers' surprise at confirmation of the importance of
the Raleigh call was that it came from Blakey, an open critic of Summers'
conclusions that JFK's killers came from elements of American intelligence,
anti-Castro Cubans, and organized crime.)

Chicago researcher Sherman Skolnick, who heads up a group called the
Citizens' Committee to Clean Up the Courts, also does not agree with Hoch
and Fensterwald and believes the call was outgoing. Skolnick has a theory
that Hurt "was Oswald's ticket to verify that he [Oswald] was a lower-level
intelligence operative."

One fact uncovered by Skolnick in sworn statements in his lawsuit that were
not heard in open court is that the Secret Service took a sudden interest in
someone named Hurt on November 23, 1963. In a statement from former agent
Abraham Bolden, who was duty officer for the Secret Service's Chicago office
that weekend, he claims that the Dallas Secret Service office called him
late on the 23rd and asked for a rundown on any phonetic spelling of "Hurt"
or "Heard." Obviously, something happened in Dallas that day to cause such a
far-flung investigation all the way to Chicago. Whether this was because of
Oswald's interest in a party named "Hurt" or because of a crank call into
the Dallas jail is still unknown.

The Fingerprints of Intelligence

So what if Oswald really were attempting to make a call to John David Hurt
in Raleigh, North Carolina from the Dallas jail. Where is the significance?

Anthony Summers suggests that Oswald may have been, or may have been led to
believe he was, working for some aspect of American intelligence. This is
not as far-fetched as it might sound, since Senator Richard Schweiker's
Intelligence Committee brought to light evidence that made the senator state
that Oswald had the "fingerprints of intelligence" all over him. This, plus
the fact that Hurt served in Military Counterintelligence, caused Surell
Brady to refer to the matter as "provocative."

Victor Marchetti, the former CIA official whose book The CIA and the Cult of
Intelligence was the first book in U.S. history to be subject to
pre-publication censorship, claims that the Office of Naval Intelligence
(ONI) operated in Nag's Head, N.C., a training base for intelligence
candidates to be sent to the Soviet Union. Says Marchetti, it was for "young
men who were made to appear disenchanted, poor, American youths who had
become turned off and wanted to see what communism was all about."

Interviewed from his Northern Virginia home, Marchetti confirmed the
existence of the ONI base to me privately, saying the plan was to send young
men to the Soviet Union as defectors, but who in actuality were hoping to be
picked up as agents by the KGB. This process is known as "doubling," as the
young men would then in effect be double agents for both American and Soviet
intelligence. Once placing an agent in the KGB, American intelligence could
then begin funneling in disinformation. According to Marchetti, this was the
plan for Oswald. Whether it worked or not, Marchetti did not say.

Marchetti seems positive in his own mind that, in making the Raleigh call,
Oswald was following a set intelligence practice. That practice consists of
contacting his case officer through what is known as a "cut-out," a "clean"
intermediary who can act as a conduit between agent and officer without ever
getting involved in the intelligence operation itself. All the "cut-out"
knows is that if anyone ever calls asking for a certain officer's real name,
or pseudonym, he's then to contact a predetermined person or agency. The
"cut-out" can legitimately say he never heard of the agent calling, in this
case thought to be Lee Harvey Oswald.

Who was Oswald's "cut-out," if the above scenario is correct? Was it either
of the John Hurts listed in Raleigh in 1963? According to committee records,
Mr. John David Hurt seems to have had an unusual career, but aside from his
Counterintelligence work in the second World War, there is nothing to
confirm or deny his candidacy as Oswald's "cut-out." Chief Counsel Blakey
told me, "I think that call occurred. Now whether it occurred to [John D.]
Hurt or not, I'm not sure .... I was not able to come up with anything
sinister about Hurt."

If we cannot know who, says Marchetti, we can at least understand why.
Whether guilty or not of the assassination, once inside the Dallas jail
Oswald was looking for some way to assure his interrogators, which may well
have included agents of the CIA, according to Marchetti, that he was "okay."
If this were true, then one must imagine that Oswald remembered either the
name John Hurt in Raleigh, or some other location which got confused with
Raleigh, and that either he or someone acting for him obtained the two
telephone numbers from "Information." That the call was blocked from going
through gives another disturbing, and as yet unsolved, aspect to the case.

The importance of the Raleigh call ultimately is that both Marchetti, who is
convinced of at least a partial involvement in the assassination by
intelligence agents, and Blakey, who eschews that explanation as
unnecessary, agree that it is an important, disturbing aspect of the JFK
case. Said Blakey, "I consider it unanswered, and I consider the direction
in which it went substantiated and disturbing, but ultimately inconclusive."
When asked if he would recommend that the Justice Department look into the
incident, if and when it re-opens the case, Blakey said no. His reason? "The
bottom line is, it's an unanswerable mystery."


Excerpts of Interview with John David Hurt

Do you know any reason why Oswald would have tried to call you?
I do not. I never heard of the man before President Kennedy's death. I was a
great Kennedyphile, and I would have been more inclined to kill him than
anything else.
Oswald, you mean.
Did you place a call that day to the Dallas jail?
No, I did not, and he didn't place a call to me either, I don't know how I
ever got [unintelligible].
Do you have any explanation as to why your name ...
None whatever.
Do you have the telephone number 833-1253 (the second number on the slip) in
any of your business associations?
Did you in 1963?
No, I did not.
That was the other number listed on the telephone slip beside your name.
I don't know. My number has been the same for, oh, I'd say forty years.
In speaking with another investigator that called you about six years ago,
you indicated at that time that during World War II you were in the
Counterintelligence Division. Is that correct?
That's correct.
You left that, and went into investigative work after the war.
I was in insurance claims adjusting work, and I worked for a year for the
state as a [unintelligible].
Were you ever involved as an agent in the Defense Department's Industrial
Security Command?
No, I was not.
So, once again, you have no knowledge of any call made from your number or
to your number that day?
No knowledge whatsover.


Excerpts of Interview With Victor Marchetti

If you were, as an agent, in trouble somewhere in America ....
I was never an agent. I was an officer.
Okay, if someone were an agent, and he were involved in something, and
nobody believes he is an agent. He is arrested, and trying to communicate,
let's say, and he is one of you guys. What is the procedure?
I'd kill him.
If I were an agent for the [Central Intelligence] Agency, and I was involved
in something involving the law domestically and the FBI, would I have a
contact to call?
A verification contact?
Yes, you would.
Would I be dead?
It would depend on the situation. If you get into bad trouble, we're not
going to verify you. No how, no way.
But there is a call mechanism set up.
So it is conceivable that Lee Harvey Oswald was ....
That's what he was doing. He was trying to call in and say, "Tell them I'm
all right."
Was that his death warrant?
You betcha. Because this time he went over the dam, whether he knew it or
not, or whether they set him up or not. He was over the dam. At this point
it was executive action [assassination].
Is the contact person's name ever the name of someone who is not necessarily
an active agent but is just a contact person?
That's right.
Then that person would go up to the next level?
That's right, and it would be a "funny name" -- a pseudonym. Like for
example, you would have a number to call. If you were my agent, and you got
yourself into a peck of trouble, you might try to contact me, but maybe you
can't get through.
I would contact you by telephone, right?
Yes. But I might have covered my tracks real good so you can't contact me by
telephone. In other words, I contact you, you don't contact me. But I give
you a [unintelligible] number. So you call him, but I've already talked to
him and said, "Don't touch him." You're screwed up.
But you would use, for that middle man, people who were not necessarily
active agents or agency people, right?
That's right. Most likely they would be cut-outs. You would have to call
Could Oswald have had a name ....
He was probably calling his cut-out. He was calling somebody who could put
him in touch with his case officer. He couldn't go beyond that person.
There's no way he could. He just had to depend on this person to say, "Okay,
I'll deliver the message." Now, if the cut-out has already been alerted to
cut him off and ignore him, then [unintelligible].